Dagorian

Take care and good luck in RL perse!! Hope to see you return to the realms of warcraft one day!

Grats Miz! I see you showed the last guy in WS!! Woot!!

Awesome guys! I should be there for a rag kill after x-mas... cant wait !!

rofl... but seriously... how did gryph get up there!?! >.<

HAHAHA! That is so cool! Nice find bentley!

Complete the Metzen Reindeer quest... the guest giver is a goblin in front of the bank near the x-mas setup. Metzen, for me atleast, was north near the gate in Searing Gorge named in the clues. Its an easy quest... and an awesome reward!

sweet.. ! must look up this awesome siggy thing!

grats turby! i'm guessing snowblind shoes (or something) dropped... wat else?

trizzie is awesome! /+1 post

lol... you dont even need to view source code for it... just mouseover it and look at your status bar... a simple link =)

I didnt know perse was leaving... STAY! NOW! =)

beast? drak? haha nah... i got it! that is awesome! reckon you guys wanna main pull and tank bosses in MC sometime? =P

Goddamn... so close... /faint

Yep.. trizzie led the raid.

Shoop... *sniff*... you da man!! This has opened up a new chapter in the chronicles of the forgotten prophets... and like the loofster so simply put it: "lets keep it up!"

be honest bentley... you cut out a deal with rag just before the attempts! this whole "knocking you into nice positions" smells fishy! =P nice story man!

Bentley... Stang's all about the <3. No matter what he says or does... its all good! Dont feel guilty... yes everyone contributed and sacrificed in thheir own ways... but so did you!! You were there to heal (which we all know is the most important job ever and ever! =P) and keep'em alive which allowed them to wtfpwn the firelord! You made a difference... no one can take that away!

ZOMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FPFTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRATS to all you leetsauces!!! This is kill was well-holybologny-deserved!!! And like valdez said... i'm not sure about the next run but as soon as i get a better system... i'm so there to innervate! Once again... MC pwned... lets enjoy this and wtfpwn BWL!!! Grats to everyone who contributed on other attempts, for pots, this run, loot winners!!! /kudos /proud /tear

Yea... MC hasnt been the kindest to primary healers but no matter... its a lot of fun raiding and seeing everyone faint when they get an epic. I've been busy lately and due to time differences i dont raid as much as others but i hv 2 epics that i got in one day i.e. onyxia and a trash mob just before gehennas - that was my lucky day! I also hv a crafted epic made by the felz0r! <3 I'm not that big on loot... 2+ months ago i never thought i'd ever hv a chance to raid high-end due to time difference, lag and a shitty comp (this will soon change!) but FP has allowed me to accomplish this... i've taken screenies of every raid i've been on with FP including first-time kills for myself as well as the guild and fun moments like the "FP" with blessings of sanctuary! rofl. I'm just very grateful to say that i've been there and have done it with a group of amazingly awesome uber leet people!

Vehement lead the run... we also had plenty of Sacred Legacy guys, Axiom's Vent server was used (i think) and a few from Lucid as well.

wewt... Purple Dragons hv left SC !! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...mp=1#post134287

Yea.. it was awesome! Off the top of my head... stangmeister, akkasha and i were in the raid. Akkasha got highest dps on the first attempt... unfortunately we wiped at 18%. Mekock came by and helped with the dps out of the raid... he ended up topping the dps charts! Mekock ftw! Edit: He died at 10ish am on the 12th December EST - i dont know his respawn timer but we should check from time to time... FP can take him for sure!

It is unlikely Blizzard is involved with the Blackmarket... at the most they tolerate it. If Blizzard had cut a deal... loot-rigging would hv been more apparent i.e. regular but low amounts of GBS on the market for example... sometimes we dont even see a GBS on the AH for days and other times there're 4 of them on. A regular distribution would allow for a more stable economy... another reason why the whole rigging thing could take place in the lower end is that GMs and similiar cant rig loot regularly 'cause it increases the chance for suspicion. So they rig loot... get their money and lay low for awhile - rinse and repeat. Also, its pretty easy to tap info thru the WoW client... if farmers use exploits and scripts made by hardcore gamers... imagine what else they could do... it is also plausible to assume that they have a way to calculate when and where a certain item will hv a high probability of dropping; taking into consideration that they have a fixed amount of farmers in an area... a record of drops of the past month as well as the interference of normal players who grind these areas.. they could find a way to increase their chances for an epic drop significantly. The thing is... we'll never know for sure... all i'm sure about is that i highly doubt Blizzard would hv cut a deal... they dont need to and it would only tie them down.

IGE is a dominant player in the secondary market aka black market for gaming. They have gotten past lawsuits thru technicalities i.e. selling time spent on farming gold / selling time spent on the account. With a lawyer and going to court, it can be pricey to shutdown a big player so its not even worth it. Vivendi is a public limited company... they dont care about the employees or consumers... what they care for is to keep shareholders happy. So they're profit-maximising whether it is consumer-exploitation or simple downsizing to make this possible. Blizzard tried to shut them down... they failed. It is now too late... our economies are reliant on the blackmarket. Pull out the blackmarket... we lose out on supply and our economies will crash i.e. demand is high, no supply -> prices go up... everyone loses. The basic economic problem - unlimited wants, resources are scarce. Sony releases their own secondary market division to compete with IGE and in hope to retake some control of the economy but hv failed at doing so. Fact of the matter... Blizzard like many others... tolerates the secondary market as they're co-dependant on each other. Firms like Blizzard offer firms in the secondary market a medium to make money and in return they ensure the economy lives on... because its too late to do anything about it. Its like piracy... it exists like crazy in malaysia... you cant get rid of it overnight because there's a demand for it and it would cause problems for the markets of those goods as well as the country would earn less. So if anything... it has to be removed slowly but it'll probably never be solved because for every step forward, 3/4 of it goes back and somewhere along the line, shit hits the fan and you hv to start at square one. Ok... moving onto the rigged-loot. I mentioned earlier that Vivendi is profit-maximising so employees get paid the minimum hence, opportunity to make a quick buck is tempting. The black market is all about connections and corruption - a corrupt GM could easily rig loot if he wanted to and without getting caught if he's smart. It happened all the time in a game i used to play called Mu Online... GMs ignored certain cheaters because they were farmers and even gave these farmers awesome loot because they were paid off. Blizzard as a whole is mostlikely not involved... just people at the lower end. If Blizzard got involved then IGE would hv a string attached to Blizzard and it could potentially cause a lot of problems. As for farmers... the majority of all farmers around the world are located in China and India. Here, sweatshops do exist. However... Japan and South Korea, it would be an exaggerration... the standard of living is very high in those countries and no one could get by with that kind of wage. The farmers there are definitely paid more as well as having more choice to what they wanna do like high-end content, pvp, etc. The person who wrote that article would be your typical farmer in any Asian country, apart from China and India. How do i know? One of my old friends used to work for a firm like that and now owns one in Singapore. And like she said.. they're rarer... mostly used to find exploits, cut deals and blend in with the normal crowd to reach the a larger proportion of the market. These better-off farmers are the ones who are probably involved with loot rigs... more trust is involved in this matter. Sweatshops are literally 24/7 lan parties with players taking 8-10 shifts on an account so basic 2 farmers to an account. On PvE servers it tends to be one in charge of a horde character and the other in charge of an alliance character. However on PvP servers its only one faction so there's often competition between these 2 farmers as one could slack off to play a bit and compensates by selling some of the stuff the other guy saved up for an emergency. I read this in an articles where the author actually interviewed and befriended several farmers on his server where he got this kind of info. Its all really messed up... but if it exists in the real world then why not in the virtual world?

Welcome to FP !!!