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That's cool, Shoop. I understand that they were upset and I might even agree with them on some level, had that information been diseminated among everyone before signups took place. But, we live, we learn. Their arguments about "well how do we KNOW someone will use it" were weak at best, trying to justify changing the understanding of rules after the event began, but I digress.

 

As far as specific information, I think that Dragon is right, and if you know of specifics that can be addressed with particular members, that information should be shared. Maybe not in a public forum, but via tells or otherwise. We cannot hope to improve on guild level if we don't make the effort to improve on the individual level. I have some ideas that I'll share with you at some other time in greater detail regarding channel set up and use. But, as a preview, Priests calling OOM in the priest and druid channels make it much easier for us to innervate than trying to watch both mana and health bars for some 40 odd people. Picking the priests out of the groups was tough enough, seeing as how I had to make the raid menu small so that I could have ANY kind of visibility whatsover. I think our healers and whatnot did well, but I'd like to see more help with removecurse and whatnot. I think every single person in the guild passed through my removecurse at least twice. Not a problem, but probably would have been more effective if we had backup. (then again, that could have been with backup, and there was just that much cursing going on).

 

Anyhow, I think sharing information and constructive criticism is the best way for us to maximize our improvement rate. Maybe class leaders can do a summary after the raid on the forums for people to review and to set up strategies for next time.

 

Good lord, I'm chatty.

if you know of specifics that can be addressed with particular members, that information should be shared. Maybe not in a public forum, but via tells or otherwise.

 

I'm not sure what makes you say that... of course I will tell people what they need to be told in tells... if I announced all my tells... well... i dunno.. i'd probably quit and turn off all chat forever... which I might do anyway... I swear there is method behind the madness! okay only sometimes.... but shhh, don't think about it

 

yeah the priests should have been calling oom... I was doing it for them though and it wasn't happening anyway .. eg "INNERVATE ERILYN NOW"... 10 seconds later "INNERVATE ERILYN" ... no one did ..

 

and I am about to do a summary for healers as soon as I dont have to respond in this thread again lol..

Ah, I misunderstood. I read your initial posts to mean that you had feedback from other members after the fact about FP not pulling it's weight, but didn't have specifics. My mistake. , so no need to respond to THIS thread.

 

As far as the INNERVATE ERILYN NOW message, I had already blown mine, but I thought that to mean that you were going to. hehehe. I just thought, since I didn't see her mana bar move, you were out of range and had to recast . . . hence I saw it again, 2 min later. again, slight misunderstanding and slight doltishness on my part.

hmm. thanks for pointing that out, we'll have to standardize our macros so that this doesn't occur again.. that way everyone will know what an innervate cast looks like and when its an instruction and when its a cast

 

 

I have some specifics, but not as many as I'd like...

hmm... just as an fyi... I know a lot of people blame the raid leaders for the loot problem, which is fine leaders are used to taking blame, but the loot rules were spammed many times in both the first and second raid and they did not change. RTU has always meant that you must be able to use it immediately, meaning that if a lvl 58 req drops(I'm not sure they do), a lvl 58 can roll, but if a lvl 60 req drops, only lvl 60's can roll. If that's not enough, it was stated that BoE's need to be equipped immediately, a level 59 with a level 60 req BoE cannot do this. RTS's are always for everyone. It was also stated that raid leaders would decide loot policy. These were the loot rules as I understood them and I believe the rest of the raid leaders did as well. So basically blame us for not clearly stating what RTU means (we felt it was obvious), not for not having rules set in place well before we began.

At the begining of every single raid, each and every one, the loot rules should always be posted. Many of us have had problems because loot rules were not posted.Just bcause it is MC doesnt mean the rules dont need to be posted. I myself dont remember seeing the rules posted, than again I stepped away a couple of times before the raid started to get one thing or another, so I might have missed it.

 

I was not in the first raid of MC, so Im not sure, but many people said that it wasnt a problem for non 60's to roll on 60 items that dropped. Now if it was said they couldnt roll in the first raid, than aparently theres a missunderstanding about the first raid.

 

A little side note, since it was allowed for non 60's to roll on high lvl stuff, that ment the other guilds non 60's got to roll too, so they could have taken some of their non 60's. But only we did (I think). This is a personal opinoin sidenote.

The rules were posted more than once, I saw them myself. They were exactly the same in the previous raid. The other guilds told their non-60's they weren't allowed to come, no one told me to do this.

 

The problem was that we assumed everyone knew what RTU meant. Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups. We should have defined RTU and made it clear.

 

 

P.S. I tried not to be edgy there I really did lol... I even deleted some stuff! If I sounded edgy I'll give up my priveledges of seeing vanin run naked through IF.............. /cry

I think the upset was not the rules as they were posted in raid, but as they were understood as people were signing up. I know that if people had known that they weren't going to be eligible for loot ahead of time, then they may have reconsidered rescheduling their Monday. HOWEVER, now that we've had this dramatic education, I think we'll all be fine. To be honest, even if I wasn't eligble for loot, I probably would have gone, but that's because I'm in exile and typically have nothing better to do.