dragonlgnd

Hey no problem Heliacon, want me to rub some salt in any othe wounds you've got?, hehe, jk.

Does the topic really say "FP stirke team owing the zepplins"?... oh god... how much do we owe them. You figure 1gold round trip... times how many people went... *turns white* Jesus did you HAVE to bring your grandmother Heliacon?.. and your dog? Ok, Ill try to negotiate with them, maybe we lower this a little bit.

Wow Win, I don't know if I should tell you Im sorry or not, hehe. More hours, its a good thing for you, but I hope it doesnt drag you to the ground man.

Why buy a small island, when you can buy a big boat I always say! =) Haha, thats insane though.

Haha, that was great.

I just read your last post FG. Please keep in mind Im not saying we just grab a couple, Im trying to come up with ways to help your idea. I like the idea in general, and i think its something to be looked into , but we will need more than just guild alchemists, and buying potions on AH to fulfill an order of a good hundred potions. Lets keep working and brainstorming on this, see what more we can come up with. Also if it sounds like Im trying to crush this , Im truly not, just looking at it criticaly.

It certainly doesnt hurt to find as many alternate ways to get these potions for free or for cheaper. We can set up guild runs to get potions from Strat or so on, also to sell the greys/greens and crappy blues to get money for the bank. About the Argent Dawn thing, people can buy them and than get reimbersed (sp) by the guild bank, now I don't think the price will change no matter what you rep is, so if someone says a different price we know there's funny stuff going on. Maybe (just as a thought), people can sell the needed potions to the bank, like 2g for a stack of Major Healing Potions (which we'd sell for the same amount to a guild member, so no gold loss, but no real gain, so maybe sell at 3g). That way as alchemists are making potions they can sell their excess (sp?) to the guild bank, and make a little money, and help out the guild. Where as say cloth wearers who pick up some Major Healing Potions (yes they are usefull to a cloth wearer, but a lesser potion is still very useful do to their low HP) can also sell them too the guild bank, for a little bit of profit. Thus we are helping the character, the guild bank, and the guild, I think thats as much of a win win situation as you can ask for, but I could be seeing it through rose colored glasses (because I look so good in them) because its my idea , so thorw me some input on it. Once again, I don't want anyone thinking that Im saying the potion packs are a bad idea, anything that can give us an edge even a little bit will be a huge help in MC.

Alternate ways of getting potions are a great idea. Especially since we will be doing other raids/runs we can easily stock up on some potions than. Also don't forget, when you reach a certain reputation with Argent Dawn you can buy Major Mana potions, and Major Health potions for a good price, but they are in limited numbers.

Man, and I like the icon for LoH...=(

Im still not too sure about this idea. I dont think its a bad idea, just don' think itll be reliable. Itll take alot of gold/work too get the stuff we need. Than you are talking about supplying some 40 people. Right now the market might not be bad for herbs and potions, but itll adjust, so what do we do when prices go nuts again? Than we rely on the herbilists to get the herbs. Well for one Major healing potion its 2xGolden Sansam + 1x Mountain Silversage + 1x crustal vial= Major healing potion. Crystall vials arent hard to get, and the shops never run out, but the Mountain Silversage isnt too easy to get, and gets used in other good potions. Figure, one person gets 10 Major healing potions thats, 20xGolden Sansam + 10x Mountain Silversage . Now figure that the cloth wearers can use a lesser healing potion to make things a bit easier, but that be what, 15+ people who need 10 Major healing potions each? So we are already talking about 150 Major healing potions, not too mention the potions for the rest of the people, and not too mention whatever other potions need to be made.Right now a stack of Golden Sansam is about 5.5g , a stack of Mountain Silversage is about 10g so you figure need one stack of Golden Sansam and half a stack of Mountain Silversage ( 5.5g + 5g ) and thats 10.5g just for one person (Im leaving out the price of crystal vials, because well.. it just isnt much, but just for those that dont know its, 25s for 5 vials), Thats completely leaving out the price of the regents for any other potions. Im not trying to kill this idea, but lets be logical and try it out first. Lets do a UBRS , or Scholo run with less people than the max (so the potions should need to come into play) and do it too a smaller scale, 3 major healing potions per person + a few specialties. I would hate for the guild to go through so much trouble to get it together, have it look great on paper, but fail when executed (Not saying it will). Even if you are against what im saying, you've got to agree that trying it out first , in a small scale, would be a good idea. I dont believe people will say, I dont want to spend 5g to go to MC. What I'd think of is the repair cost, last time I went was about 10g + ( I don't really see the potion packs only costing 5g but what the hey Ill go with it) 5g=15g . I right now only have 19g, so Im looking at majority of my money gone, for a slim chance of getting... well... anything. I didnt get anything last time I went (and Im not talking about epics here, I mean nothing) . What people might say is, I can't afford the potion packs, and the repair costs. Another thing I was just thinking of, would all the packs cost the same? Probably not, magic users need mana and health potions, and could use the fire elemental ones too, I guess the melee people (talking about basics here) could use healing and the fire protection. So by looking at that mages have to spend more (health + mana+ protection , compared too health + protection), than not too mention regents on top of that for mass splls, like AI, DI and so on. Before we start delving into the guild bank for this, I'd like to see a vote from the councilers (if they already have and agree, than thats cool.). I know FG said that Major healing potions are at an all time low right now, but once we start buying them the whole supply and demand thing kicks in and the price will rise alot. Especially when we are buying the a large bulk like we are talking about, But Im sure you guys know this.

Whoa WHoa Whoa!..... somebodies legs are breaking, and Im not the one doing it?

Keep in mind Heliacon, just becuase a machine works, does not mean you can't improve upon it.

Would we "force" people to buy the packs? or is this an option thing? That would be alot of potions to make, Im not saying its a bad idea, just that it would certainly take some work. I do believe it would help doing MC runs.

I don't know if Im crying from laughing so hard... or just crying....

Im glad too see theres alot of guild loyalty here.....

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I admit Im not very good in PvP, I never have been, not even in UO, where if you arent capable in PvP you lose all your stuff....*grumble grumble*. I lose to most classes, but mostly to shamans and mages and rogues the most. The more I PvP the more Im thinking High Armor isnt all its cracked up too be. Cleanse does help alot Vs debuffs, but those classes can usualy pour them on faster than I can cleanse them off. Plus when they debuff there's usually alot of damage coming across too. About the High Armor thing, I have about 8000 armor, when on the practice server I got over 12,000 armor (for 1 minute). I dueled Vanin too see the effect this would have. His hits werent doing too much damage, but in the end I still lost. Granted it was a duel, so I didnt heal , but I still lost before my buffs wore off (so I lost in 1 minute) and for some reason I reacted a little slow that battle, so if I was on top of my game I could have won. Though I still dont think the High Armor is as huge as I'd like it too be.

That sucks that you are leaving man, I hope to still talk to you a bit when you leave. We've had other members leave, and usualy we never really talk to them again. Though if this is what you want, than good luck too you.

You know , there's something about your yellow teeth that drives me crazy=)

Ill help make those pots for you, but Ill be gone for about a week. Sooooo you should be able to get someone else to do it faster, hehe.

Gynis arent you one of the hot chicks in the guild?.... (oh please god let her be hot...oh please god!)

What havent I figured out? What? What? WHAT?..... ooooh shiny!

Ok, I just thought I'd mention this. When I saw the title of the post... I was wodnering, What the HELL have I done now!?.....hehe.Im glad to see I didnt do anything (which of course Im still doing). =)

Ill come up with something.... maybe... kinda... wait..arent I computer illiterate?

Actually Kopi, perhaps you'd be amazed, but what I had to say had nothing to do with you, or what had happend. I dont believe what happend was a temporary split, I just remember alot of people trying to work things out. It's been about 3 months now, and things seem to be going pretty well. Now on too what I had actually ment. I believe looking forward for FP should be at the front of our minds. But if you want to put up some info about MoM than go ahead. All I really know is , I joined MoM on December 18, I wasnt anywhere near one of the firsts. Than some where towards the end of December was the Boot of '04. Than we joined guilds with KoA. I don't think there is too much too add about it, if there is , can someone fill the gaps for me. Oh...and I was the third person to hit 60 in the MoM, hehe.