DeepT

My 60 mage went to MC with FP many times many months ago. Maybe like 4 months ago was the last time he went. My pally, who is not 60, has never been to MC and proabbly will never go.

However, when did I say I was talking about the FP? Just because I do not talk about black does not mean I am talking about white. Here I am clearly NOT talking about the FP. And here again, with a tad of logic and reasoning, you can tell, I am not talking about FP. How? Because if I was, I would know how long it took and would not even need to ask. Ok this is a little ambigious. However, reading into it you should get that "we" means the collective of WoW. Not me, not you, not the alliance, not the horde, but everyone. Also its not about MC or BWL, but everything. Its ZF, Ulderman, Dead Mines, Grobber, and even which quest is a waste of time and which isn't. Its about, when you goto BRD, hug this wall to avoid the mobs, let a rouge run up and unlock the bridge across the lava. But it is mostly things like me as a warlock or mage saying, "Lets not sap and sheep, just pull them all and Ill AoE them to death." and everyone going no, it has a small risk. It is the player base in general finding the path of least resistance, and once found, is highly resistant to making any changes. It is also people powering through quests without even reading the quest text and getting pissed off at you when you DO stop to read the quest text. That is what you should have gotten from that statement. This is my motivation to play this game, not loot. However fun is subjective, and if instead I asked, "Is going to MC fun?" what are you goign to say? Maybe the low proabbility of getting purple set gear is fun for you. Maybe spending 6 hours doing the same thing is fun for you. Its not for me. Now it seems like most of you seemed convinced that I am looking for a free ride, well that is your opinion and there is nothing I can say to change your mind. I have been tried and found guilty already. I guess that means I will not be going to MC or BWL with you. Once I am 60, Ill most likly be in one BG or another. It may be a grind, but it is a fun one at last.

That is your uniformed opinion. Now if I ran MC 30 times you could make a case, but if I run it a few times, or at least till I fight all the bosses a few times, you can make no such statement. When I ran it with my mage, I was doing it for loot. However that was before how boaring I found it to be. With my pally, if you see me run MC 10 times, then feel free to call my a lair in public. However, until then, you can shut your festering gob.

Because you don't go then please don't assume how it is. We have been changing our strats to get through them faster. We now do AOE the hounds from the start, we now take on 2 firelords at a time. Each pull I let mobs have more and more health when I pull the next one. Please do not make comment on things that you have not seen for yourself because at times, like this one, you will be wrong. Actually if you care to read what I actually wrote, then maybe you would realise I was talking about when I went and not "how it is now"

I am not making any judgements on people who do or do not want to grind for purples for days at a time. I was there the first time you guys went through ZG. It was fun, it was fun figuring out the bosses. But that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about, we know how to do everything already. There is no discovery. The only thing we need to do learn to do it faster. Sure there are moments where you might say, lets try and do all core-hound packs at the same time. Lets pull 3 firelords at once and kill them. But really, how much does that happen? Where you know how to beat a certain encounter, and rather then take the safe path, you take an more risky path and try and save a few minutes? Now I have been in a bunch of MC raids, not nearly as many as you, and when I said 10, that was with FP. I proabbly have done 16 or so outside of FP. Its the same as smaller instances, only on a bigger scale. No one wants to try something new. Its always the same thing over and over and over. Now that is fine. You are welcome to do that and the 'dedicated players' can farm MC and BWL until the cows come home and then you can all prance around me and show me all your uber purple loot. I play for the fun of the game, not for the loot. Sure Id like to have it, but its not a huge deal for me. Id rather spend my time in scholomance figuring out how to do it with 3 people instead of 5. I the guy who has been to every zone in this game, finished or not (except BWL). Yes, I even explored the silithus dungeons before they were finished, have been in the caverns of time, and even that swamp tower place in dead-wind pass. If you think its unfair that 50 core people figured out how to take MC down from 9 hours to 4, and people like me should never go, then that is fine. I understand. However, maybe one day when everyone has thier purple gear some people will not want to go anymore, maybe Ill go, maybe I wont.

I am not asking for anything for free. I am trying to decide weather or not I want to even bother going at all. Not, after you cleared up to X then ask me to come along. I did MC like 10 times, maybe more, with my mage. I decided I never wanted to do these things again other then to see them the first few times. So Ill want to do onyxia because I have not and Ill want to do BWL because I have not, and maybe the last half of ZG because I have not. However, even if I never get any purple loot out of the deal, after a few times, Ill never want to do them again. That is unless they really do not take that long. For me, I remember spending 4 or 5 hours to get to Mag. I remember that a lot. Its way past my tolerance. Now if you say, 4 hours for the entire thing, ok I can deal with that once a week. I planned on going the PvP route because I can do that in bite-sized chunks, however working out the math, Ill never get to GM, and proablby never get past rank 11 or so. That is why I reconsiderd these instances after everyone told me that they are done really fast now. Now if you all want someone who is willing to spend 9 hours in MC every week, just let me know, and Ill never sign up for a raid. Ill let people who want to grind for hours and hours and hours get all the purple loot. Ill just be stuck with blues forever.

So typically on sunday you might go from a new instance, all the way up to rag in 4 hours?

How long is a typical MC run, BWL run, Onyxia run, and ZG run? I had decided I didn't want to do any of these anymore because I was tired of spending 4 hours in MC only to get to Magmadar. Now some other people have been telling me that you can run MC in 3 hours, ZG from beginning to end in 3.5 hours, and the other pretty fast. If this is true, I would proabbly be intrested in running them again. So Id like to know, what are the real average times you do take to run these instances?

My "main" Soulstorm is on jailbreak. I am mostly not playing him now since I am very frustrated with mages and the recent lack of AV. Most likely ill be playing my hunter, named AMN 35 atm or my lock Demonologist 54. If I am on with either character, and you are going to do a jailbreak, let me know, ill get soulstorm on and complete that part of the quest.